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hannaramaa | I was wondering what aspects you've experienced in Synastry that brought out insecurity. To be clear I am thinking of the feeling you don't have your partner's approval (though in reality you might) you constantly feel unequal (though you may be equal or YOU may even be the "better" catch) You have a need to settle some long-standing score that you may have created in your own head but the vibe is there. |
midnightvenus | Their Saturn conjunct my Sun and Mars. |
florence | Venus-saturn Other saturn aspects & I think moon-Mars too I felt a) easily hurt b) bad for this emotional response = vulnerable feeling = insecureLimited experience at this but pretty sure those |
GypseeWind | My ex used to tell me he felt that way about me. My saturn sq his sun. |
CosmiqPhuz | Venus-Pluto Pluto person sees Venus as more attractive, less loyal, more social, and with more partners to choose from. None of this can be true in real life, but that's how Pluto perceives things. |
yungang_grotto | Saturn square Mercury...Saturn conjunct Ascendant... :/ .... ummm I think hard aspects to Venus maybe.. sigh. |
starmoon | venus-saturn. it was as though i wasn't living up to some expectation, and everything i did was wrong somehow and no matter how loving i thought it was, saturn didn't. |
stillatlarge | I'm Venus and I feel that way about Pluto |
LaceyLeigh | quote: Originally posted by stillatlarge: I'm Venus and I feel that way about Pluto
What's the aspect? I have Venus conjunct Pluto with someone, I'm the Pluto, and I feel insecure around Venus. |
hannaramaa | quote: Originally posted by midnightvenus: Their Saturn conjunct my Sun and Mars.
Hi guys, I just came back to this! I checked the synastry I have with someone and indeed...I have Mars opposition Saturn. I'm Mars! On top of that my Sun, Mercury and Venus are trine their Saturn. UGH. Does anyone have experience with Mars / Saturn specifically? |
hannaramaa | quote: Originally posted by starmoon: venus-saturn. it was as though i wasn't living up to some expectation, and everything i did was wrong somehow and no matter how loving i thought it was, saturn didn't.
y'know Starmoon, no matter what every time I see your posts I agree with them regardless if it's relevant to me. What's your Mercury sign? Venus sign? |
hannaramaa | quote: Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz: Venus-Pluto Pluto person sees Venus as more attractive, less loyal, more social, and with more partners to choose from. None of this can be true in real life, but that's how Pluto perceives things.
Interesting, but how big a part would Venus play in reactions compared to the Moon? We do have Moon opposite Pluto, Moon opposite Mars. Now that I think back I could definitely have seen it turning violent, albeit not intentionally. The way astrology works in synastry really amazes me!
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hearttreasure | quote: Originally posted by hannaramaa: Hi guys, I just came back to this! I checked the synastry I have with someone and indeed...I have Mars opposition Saturn. I'm Mars! On top of that my Sun, Mercury and Venus are trine their Saturn. UGH. Does anyone have experience with Mars / Saturn specifically?
I have Mars conjunct Saturn in synastry. I am the Mars. I feel like I can not do what I want and like to do although I have Mars conjunct Saturn in my natal but I have learnt to let loose a lil bit. The limitation is strongly applied, the Saturn always criticize my actions, he always negatively judge what I did. I don't know if it is also an effect from my bf natal chart: moon conjunct saturn in 5th house. If I'm not mistaken, his Saturn also square my venus. Must admit, the relationship is not really fun. His Saturn almost contacts all of my personal planet. |
athenegoddess | Definitely Mars square Saturn or Sun square Saturn |
LeeLoo2014 | In my experience, Saturn aspects mean: we need time to build trust; but when it's built it's built. The reasons Saturn aspects may bring insecurity in the beginning are:1. Saturn being too critical of the planet person, Saturn is also our critical side 2. Saturn being insecure themselves, Saturn is the area in life where we need to overcome some insecurities; it is usually solved during the second half of life. People aspecting our Saturn or with their Saturn should make us feel secure at this point; Saturn is the planet of MATURITY. I think stronger areas of insecurity come from Pluto (because of possessiveness and jealousy when someone aspects it for us) and Uranus to our planets - for the obvious reasons. But the strongest possible reason for insecurity is areas of our chart not covered by the other person, such as unaspected planets (combined with strong contacts for the rest). A combination of tight aspects/ lack of needed aspects makes us the most insecure. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... AstroMandala Summer Readings |
hannaramaa | LeeLoo - in your opinion do softer aspects to Saturn like trines mean the trust is there naturally? I really agree with everything you pointed out. Thinking of the relationship specifically I DEF feel this is a long road between us. |
CosmiqPhuz | quote: Originally posted by hannaramaa: Interesting, but how big a part would Venus play in reactions compared to the Moon?We do have Moon opposite Pluto, Moon opposite Mars. Now that I think back I could definitely have seen it turning violent, albeit not intentionally. The way astrology works in synastry really amazes me!
I don't know. I think Moon and Venus are both important. |
LeeLoo2014 | quote: Originally posted by hannaramaa: LeeLoo - in your opinion do softer aspects to Saturn like trines mean the trust is there naturally? I really agree with everything you pointed out. Thinking of the relationship specifically I DEF feel this is a long road between us.
It's so much to say about this, one of my favorite topics It's interesting to consider why Saturn hard aspects are so common in long-term partners, we need to solve this enigma. In short, my opinion is that soft aspects are aspects of complacency and acceptance. We are tolerant about our trines and sextiles, in our natal. We are intolerant of our hard aspects (especially squares) because their purpose is to bring change and growth. External experiences with them force us to quickly become intolerant of any tension in their area (and they are defined by tension) and to implement those changes if we want to survive. The same happens in synastry. A Saturn to luminaries trine is a huge asset because it makes people grow on each other, as they are, from the beginning. Just like they are, no changes implied. It's an area of free flow and acceptance. The downside: complacency, staying the same when your energies blend with that person's. There is positive evolution, but mostly acceptance of the status quo. Saturn squares demand growing up with certain things, in a dramatic, compelling, fast, in your face manner. The reason they are present in successful long-term couples is probably because that is the one person who has come to help us with that The downside: constant tension and excitement about those, although squares are quickly solved in a positive manner with lots of positive aspects in people and synastries. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... AstroMandala Summer Readings |
astroblues | Hard Saturn aspects, definitely. Too much Saturn is never a good thing though . . . when a relationship is built on too many insecurities there is no foundation to cultivate the connection. When there are too many hard aspects, the work that is demanded of each partner becomes too overwhelming, and partners often go running in the opposite direction of what may very well be love and happiness. |
hannaramaa | Is Sayurn aware of his affect or no? |
Selenite | quote: Originally posted by hannaramaa: Is Sayurn aware of his affect or no?
I'm Saturn in Saturn square Venus and yes I'm aware that it makes him insecure, but the square is a 2-way street - the way he's treated me at times has actually felt unloving (when he thinks he's being playful or 'himself') and made me trust him a little less. Sad as it is :/ His Saturn is also opposite my Mars, and he does get insecure about the way I act sometimes, when I feel like I am just being myself. But again, it's up to both of us to be aware and appreciate what makes each other feel secure or insecure, even if it doesn't make sense to us. It's hard but at the end of the day, really worth it. Tough (but real) love.. |
Selenite | quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
But the strongest possible reason for insecurity is areas of our chart not covered by the other person, such as unaspected planets (combined with strong contacts for the rest). A combination of tight aspects/ lack of needed aspects makes us the most insecure.
I liked your whole post, but this especially Great point - I've definitely had really tight, intense aspects with people in the past, and wondered why I wasn't feeling the soul-bonding, unconditional love I was supposed to be feeling.. |
yungang_grotto | Bump LeeLoo is awesome. LL won't let me open the Satyrn-Asc thread right now so I'm just updating here: I'm on a Satyrn roller coaster ride.... D. and I had t.Pluto quincunx progressed Davison MC for the second time yesterday and man was it felt. I'm relieved at the change in power structure... we are changing and learning, building trust--not breaking. I think he's more insecure than I realized. I also have realized I'm kinda here to help him grow up. He is doing it. He's 33. It's happening... And I love him too much to shut down my heart even though he's hurt me--he has learned that i won't take everything lying down and that's important for us. Mean Dark Moon conjunct my ascendant right meow also... I'm gentlE yet merciless Lilith... |